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that wraps us up this hour. i'm stephanie ruhle. so happy to learn that willie nelson is alive and doing well. i love that guy. now to d.c. for more news with hallie jackson. >> you and me both, girl. thank you so much. busy day here in d.c. right now, the senate is getting ready to gavel in, then getting ready to gavel back out since recess starts today. no delay, after all. gop control in congress after six months, no health care after all either. no budget. no infrastructure. no tax reform movement. no signs of life for new immigration proposal with one gop senator calling it potentially devastating. the white house is pushing it
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hard with president trump trying to make good on a promise to his base. he's also looking for ways to make some kind of breakthrough in afghanistan with multiple sources telling msnbc news that he has been venting, threatening to fire the commander in charge there with the nation's longest war. msnbc exclusive. we're following that plus a whole bunch of other story lines. kristen welker and kasie hunt, we'll get to them in a moment. first i want to bring in our panel for the hour. bob, your paper is just out with this very interesting new report talking about transcripts, from phone calls the president made early on in the administration. and i want to set this up a little bit. we've been talking about immigration a lot today. the president was on a phone call with the leader of mexico. and i think we might have a page tear here, graphic to show. i just wanted to mention that when you talk about people coming across the border, because times will be tough and
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times will be good, that when times are tough, that is why we have a wall. because we do not want people to come across the border. we do not want them coming across. he said they are sending drugs to chicago, los angeles and new york. up in new hampshire, i won new hampshire because it's a drug-infest drug-infested den coming from the southern border. based on these transcripts from "the post" to these foreign leader. >> there is quite a lot to unpack here. the transcripts reported by my colleague, greg miller, are quite revealing about how president trump deals with world leaders behind the scenes. these calls came early in his administration as he was looking at his core campaign -- >> right after the inauguration. >> indeed. and he spoke to president pena nieto of mexico both on immigration issues and thinking through these promises on the campaign trail, trying to get these world leaders who were
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reluctant to work with him to work with him. >> vivian, your reaction to this? >> this is the same call we reported in january or february when he said that ombres are coming across the border and wanted to send troops to the border to basically confront that. >> and, let's be clear. he had a lot of calls during this time period. we happen to be getting a glimpse at two calls in particular that he had, sort of word for word here. >> right. and so this is just president trump unfiltered. and this is how he conducts his business behind closed doors. he is very proud of the fact that he speaks very honestly. he shoots from the cuff. he shoots from the hip. he likes conducting business this way. so, i don't think that this is something that he necessarily is ashamed of. he's being very upfront with them. the fact that it's leaking now is probably what he will take issue with more, that these transcripts are supposed to remain confidential. in terms of the way he conducts business, he promotes that very proudly. >> bob makes the point,
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rightfully so, you call it president trump unfiltered, which it is, right? this is sort of president trump with no filter. it's also him working through these promises to his base. and that is something that hasn't changed, frankly, over the last six months. he has been trying to make these overture to his base. we're seeing that with the immigration discussion we've been having. kristen welker, walk us through this proposal that the president has out, kristen, that essentially would try to overhaul the legal immigration system. we'll talk about the political fallout in a second. give us some of the nuts and bolts. >> nuts and bolts, hallie, it's incredibly controversial. effectively it calls for cutting down legal immigration, that's right, by about 50% over the next decade. it would prioritize merit-based measures as opposed to, i should say, family-based tests that they had before. it would also limit family members who can seek green cards
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and it would seek to limit refugees' ability to gainful citizenship. it's incredibly controversial because critics argue that it goes against the very principles of this country. on the other hand, you have opponents who say, look, this could actually make our labor force more highly skilled, would protect and preserve jobs for americans. but you have a lot of ceos who say it would do the exact opposite, that it could wind up hurting the economy, that it could hurt critical industries like the agriculture industry, for example, like tourism. if you look at the politics, and i know you're going to delve into this. it's facing a very steep climb in congress. senator lindsey graham saying this isn't how we should approach this problem. we should be look at overhauling our immigration system, looking at a comprehensive immigration reform. it underscores, hallie, something you and i have been talking about behind the scenes, which is that this is a sign that this administration isn't looking for a big, broad,
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comprehensive immigration reform package. they're doing more targeted measures, hallie. >> and they're looking, kristen, for a win, thank you very much. it doesn't look like they're going to get it, at least with this. kasie hunt is over on capitol hill. you heard her talk about senator graham's response to this. i think maybe you're seeing somebody, kasie, down the hallway? maybe not. we'll get back to kasie in a second. let me bring in bob more to talk about this. it doesn't look like this bill is going anywhere. might even get 30 votes. >> this is a play to the trump base. senator purdue and senator cotton, two conservatives spearheading this effort on capitol hill, working closely with stephen miller and steve bannon, two top strategists more on the right wing of the white house. this is signaling to the republican base, the rest of the agenda that is stalled on health care and other priorities, at
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least on immigration. they're making some progress. of course, they don't have the votes. >> isn't this what we've seen with so many legislations they've tried to pursue, that they whittled it down over time because the fact they're not getting support from lawmakers? health care, for example, trying to push repeal without replace because they just wanted to get rid of obamacare first and the travel ban where they tried to pull elements that the courts would find acceptable and let the rest pass later? this is what we're seeing throughout even immigration now. >> kasie is back with us. i know you always have your eyes on the prize in the hallways of the capitol. we heard from tom cotton just today. this morning, he was out talking about all this. i want you to listen to what he had to say. >> 40 years, americans with a high school degree or less have seen their wages fall. that's not coincidental that over those four years the number of immigrants in this country have quadrupled. that's why our legislation hases focused on trying to make sure
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that unskilled and low-skilled immigrants aren't coming to this country to compete for the same jobs. >> this is something, kasie, that senator cotton and purdue have been working on for a while. they obviously want to get this passed, this legal immigration overhaul. it looks very unlikely. is this something that might benefit them with the white house ultimately? >> reporter: well, hallie, look, i think it's something that clearly plays to the president's base and, you know, when you hear democrats talk about it, they'll frame it the other way and essentially say, you know, hey, there are people who are blaming immigrants for problems that are actually due to other factors, but that this is how the politics are playing out. and so, look, i think this policy is basically a nonstater here on capitol hill. as you mentioned at the top there is a very long backlog of other things that they have to deal with that they simply can't ignore. based on the early opposition, i
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don't see this being a realistic policy proposal. it is, though, a potent, political tool, i think. and it couples with all the other promises on immigration, that the president made on the campaign trail. and it ties into -- you were talking earlier about the washington post releasing these transcripts, one of which was with the mexican president and essentially heard the president arguing, hey, please stop saying that mexico won't pay for the wall. this isn't helping me. he said i know that essentially we will work something out. there will be a deal. we'll figure out the numbers but you have to stop saying this out loud. congress has actually already -- the housemaid a down payment on wall in a security bill they passed last week. so, clearly, this is evolving in a different way. but even the house speaker's aides will acknowledge, talking about the law -- speaker ryan tweeted out a video of himself complete with music saying,
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look, here we are, building the wall. there's a reason for him to say that. it plays very well with the base. hallie? >> kasie hunt on capitol hill. she makes a point with that "post" piece, don't talk out loud about not paying for the wall because that was a key campaign pledge to my people. no response from the white house, considering this was just posted on your site 30, 40 minutes ago. we talk about the president trying to make good on his campaign pledges, the border wall is part of that. >> the president is already set on 2020. he has rallies. has one tonight. i told you i was going to win for you and we're already doing it. when these setbacks happen it frustrates him. he starts to worry. >> we noted the backlog at the top of the show. we want you to listen to how congressional leadership has been talking about this over the last six months. >> we've been working with the
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administration on a daily basis to map out and plan a very bold, aggressive agenda, to make good on our campaign promises. >> finishing on tax reform will take longer. >> we aspire to get most of these big things done before the recess. >> four straight elections to repeal obamacare. >> the first 200 days, infrastructure clearly will be part of that. >> ideally we'll deal with the debt ceiling before the august recess. >> a lot of things they wanted to get done before august recess. we have three hours until that recess begins. what will life be like for these guys back home? >> step back and think about congressional republicans and trump republicans in the white house, it's almost like they're two different policies and they're confronting these issues. afghan policy, the more traditional, hawkish direction or not? on trade the trump administration making moves in a more nationalist direction, not a conservative direction and, of course, when it comes to immigration a lot of republicans in congress would rather move away from this hard line
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proposal. yet the white house continues to move forward. this is the core tension right now in washington. will the rest of the year be about republican-style policies, or what president trump wants? >> what's the answer? >> the president is the president. so, he's trying to shape the agenda. you see this reluctance among so many republicans. lawmakers say to you and to me and to many others they're not hur sure if they want total buy-in. >> and the president isn't particularly popular when it comes to polling. >> and took hits when he said he signed the sanctions bill against russia and north korea. >> tweeting out this slam against members of congress, tying in russia for that as well within the last couple of hours. >> lawmaker republicans told me that was a gut punch to the white house, that congress is going to have to say you can't take us too far afield. >> he is saying this is on you, not on me. we've seen this a couple of
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days. health care is driving his frustration. >> do you think that will resonate with people around the country? do you think they'll buy that? >> it could. president trump has a lot of influence over his base. this is the swamp that he so adamantly wanted to get rid of. i was at his rally last week in ohio. you saw the "drain the swamp" signs. people still believe in that notion. >> we'll talk to him getting back out on the road on the campaign trail. we want to get to this idea that president trump is frustrated with one serious foreign policy challenge, his strategy for the war in afghanistan. he says we're not winning and that the top military commander there should get fired. in this nbc news exclusive, whether a major shakeup could be on the way. stick around. hey you've gotta see this. c'mon.
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a high-level meeting will have the president talking about what to do next in america's longest war two weeks after nor afghanistan meeting that turned tense and uncomfortable. there are some discussions about the future of the top commander in afghanistan after president trump complained we're use losing the war there. two more american service members killed by a suicide bomber near kandahar. multiple sources tell us the
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president lashed out at a key situation meeting in the middle of july suggesting that general nicholson, who leads the troops there, should be fired. >> you have confidence yourself in general nicholson? >> of course. i couldn't imagine a more capable commander on any mission. >> at the end of the day, the president may not be wrong. we are not winning this war. his own commanders acknowledge it. the pentagon is in a holding pattern because there's no new strategy because the president hasn't approved one yet because he doesn't like the options because there are no good options. i'm joined now by cara lee, with exclusive reporting and former director of iraq with the national security council back with me as well, washington post's robert costa and ap's vivian salama.
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>> two weeks ago, the president went into a meeting room and we were hoping he would finally settle on an afghanistan strateg strategy. >> they found a president really frustrated, asking questions, unhappy with the opss and then openly questioning the merits of the advice he was getting. it went on. there was a series of tense exchanges where the president suggested multiple times that perhaps the commander in afghanistan should be fired because we're not winning. there was pushback from the joint chiefs of staff who said maybe we should put up the meeting between the two of you. >> they have not met. >> no. >> and defense secretary mattis also weighed in and defended the commander.
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he said that china is buying up all these rights to the minerals and making money and we're not and we're just there fighting. what's the deal with that? he was really annoyed that he felt his aides were not moving fast enough on coming up with answers on that and then made this comparison to the renovation of a restaurant in new york in the 1980s. >> one of his favorite restaurants, the 21 club. >> yes. >> i was there with him one time in the transition. >> and the point, if you talk to people in the room, the analogy left his advisers sort of stunned. the point that he was trying to make is sometimes it's better to talk to people who actually work in the restaurant. he hired an outside consultant to gave a bunch of advice that wound up being bad advice and wasted a lot of money and should have talked to the waiters instead. i should listen to the vets, those fighting the war rather than the people around the table.
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that was the message. >> the analogy on the restaurant aside, listening to the lower level, guys with boots on the ground, the idea we are not winning this war, something that even secretary mattis has acknowledged. saying this is a stalemate. he has a couple of good points. >> he has several good points. we're doing just enough to lose slowly. but the alternatives are not very good. you have to remember how expensive it is to fight in afghanistan. it's land locked. you have to push through pakistan. it costs billions of dollars to spend more people. it costs about $20 billion a year n 2010 during the surge it was $110 billion a year to fight this war. >> what are the options? we know that the president's team based on all the reporting, is putting something together for him, working on strategies for him. what is the best case option and what is the worst case option? >> there are no good options.
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you can spend a lot of money and try to hold afghanistan some place but there's no economy. there's -- they have a barbaric view of women. there's a lot wrong in afghanistan that's not going to be fixed by fighting people. we can continue to lose slowly or withdraw, none of which seems like palatable options. >> what is the president supposed to decide here? >> what his advisers want him to decide is a middle option, which you described as losing slowly. you can completely withdraw and the risk there then is 90 days afghanistan is back to exactly what it was pre-9/11, the reason we went in. >> breeding ground for terrorist groups. >> or pour a ton of more resources into it. which the american people -- >> zero appetite. >> up the troop levels by 5,000. this is what the commander had asked for and then you try to do something diplomatically on the corruption in the government and you try to do something
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economically. but, again, it sort of drags this out. this is a problem that the last three presidents -- this president and his previous two successors -- or predecessors had to deal with because there aren't any good options and there's no good way to go all the way in and if gu all the way out that creates a whole set of new problems. >> a member of the foreign relations committee on "morning joe" discussing this particular story. >> a military only solution in afghanistan will never work unless you purge that government of corruption, unless you give it legitimacy with the afghan people. the taliban will always be on the edges of that country, ready to come back in. >> this speaks to what carol was talking about. there has to be a diplomatic and economic part of this as well? >> yes, but the timeline you're talking about is just so long. this is not iraq. iraq is a 20th century country,
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early 20th century country. afghanistan is a 14th century country. there are people in that country that, you know, live as their ancestors did a millenia ago. to think we're going to get somewhere in a short period of time, or a long period of time, couple of decades, isn't going to happen. it's so reminiscent of 2008, there are no good options. mini version of the biden v. gaines debate. >> h.r. mcmaster, the times, is reporting he may be being considered for the slot in afghanistan, to take over for nicholson. being told that breitbart has anti-hncht r. mcmaster stories up right now. sometimes tas a temperature taker of where the west wing is. what are you hearing and how do you see that affecting strategy in afghanistan and the security council? >> if you look at breitbart, this is more the populist wing.
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this is what the president is confronting. he has these generals and advisers, advising him to rethink the afghan strategy but in the back of his mind if you talk to his confidants, he's thinking at breitbart, his constituents and looking back and saying does america really need to have a footprint there? >> general mcmaster and the president, their relationship has been a bit of a roller coaster. mcmaster is quite conservative about the way he approaches international relations. he is very cautious on russia. he feels that iran should be taken with, you know, at arm's length and is a little bit wary of the nuclear deal with iran. russia, in particular, has been a sticking point for them. it has made tense relations
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between them. we've seen it manifesting with these other issues as well. >> i want to thank doug and carol for joining us. i'm sure it's not the last we'll see you of or you. marine corps general, retired now, enforcing discipline in the white house. at least trying to. one of general kelly's key challenges is to stop fake news that could get to the president. how does nut chief of staff actually plan to make that happen? you're talking about it, next.
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we are back now with a look at your morning headlines. senate getting out of dodge in a little bit. voting on nominations this morning. and then they are out. not able to get deals on health care, tax reform, budget or debt ceiling before leaving the nation's capital. nicolas maduro is dismissing allegations that numbers from the election were manipulated, bowing to u.s. to discredit results. that created a constituent assembly expected to rewrite the constitution, allowing maduro to tighten his grip on the country.
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facebook, new today, is starting to fight fake news harder. there are new reports out that facebook is rolling out this idea that when you see popular articles in your newsfeed you might also see this related article section, which will include links to help you make sure that something is actually factual before you share it with all your followers. general john kelly, the president's new chief of staff, is apparently cracking down on fake any news getting to the president, too. one of his most important goals is to protect the president from bad information, that in the past prompted controversial moves like that report on surveillance that prompted the president's unfounded cham that president obama wiretapped him or leaning on news from unreliable sources instead of classified information to make really sensitive policy decisions. all of this pointed out by the guest joining the table now, josh dossey, political white house reporter for politico, who scooped the news about kelly's new crackdown. also with us bob and viv.
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what did you learn about general kelly's system here? >> ad hoc where people would give the president paper. >> slip it on the desk. >> he watches television at night. they would brief him, kind of just whenever, whoever was in the room without any protocol and structure. in his first staff meeting on monday, john kelly told the staff, listen, all the info for briefings will come through me. people aren't going to throw articles on the president's desk anymore and the president will be able to make better decisions, he told them, if he has good information. if he doesn't have good information, he can't make a decision. >> john kelly is not walking into the residence at night with the president and turning off fox news. >> sure. >> it's not a total shutdown of this kind of thing. >> there are certainly limitations. during the day the president is in the oval office for ten hours a day or so. previously, folks would be just in and out. sometimes 15 people in a room, people walking in and out of meetings. what john kelly is saying is
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there needs to be a rhyme and reason. >> are other people buying in to that? he needs buy-s in. >> so far, yes. early ind kags talking to people in the west wing are that john kelly has put discipline on the team that maybe wasn't there before. we'll see how long it will last. >> the tweets this morning, right? >> he likes to be manager in style, talking his friends late at night, watching television all the time. who knows if the general can fix that or not. >> one of your pieces talks about this very idea, that the president's tweets can reshape policy inside this administration even when it might catch some of his advisers off dpard. >> that's right. what i reported is that essentially the president will just, at all hours of the day and night, kind of speak his mind, tweet his mind as i call it, and a lot of time his policy advisers are unaware of what he's going to say or what his views are on a certain issue. this happened with the qatar crisis a month ago where he caught his advisers off guard when they were trying to
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literally diffuse the situation in real time and he was tweeting something completely different. the transgender tweets, where he announced he was going to impose a complete ban on transgenders and the military leaders did not know. can general kelly streamline that, control that so that there is some sort of systematic way of going through the policy system? but also who has access to the president? this is something that the white house is trying to emphasize. >> i cannot imagine -- i don't know this. i haven't had a conversation this morning. i cannot imagine that general kelly loves the tweets that the president sent today, slamming other republican members of congress, bob. do you get a sense that folks on capitol hill are having these conversations with the west wing, perhaps general kelly or his staff saying, hey, get a handle on this kind of thing? >> i'm sure those messages are being sent. the president had made clear, i'm told, to general kelly and
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others around him that twitter remains his twitter. he will be his messenger when he chooses to be his messenger his thumb's on the keyboard? >> as josh was saying in his strong report, what general kelly is focusing on is trying to streamline the operations of communication in front of the president. the president himself can still decide when to weigh in publicly. >> he will streamline the operations, josh. will he continue to streamline the staff? we've seen some departures. is it your sense we might see more? >> my sense is that he's telling senior aides in the white house he wants to have dominion over the portfolios. you fire them, you hire them. national security adviser mcmaster, this is your chain. you run the national security council. we saw him push out a top aide he has wanted to get rid of for a long time. >> and something i heard about from folks who had been maybe discussed about coming in, i'm not going to do it unless i have hiring and firing authority.
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>> every hire and fire had to be gone through jared kushner, steve bannon. something john kelly is trying to do, speed up decisions, expedite hiring, if you want something done, we're empowering you to do it. >> josh dawsey, from politico, thank you for being here. we'll talk more about those "washington post" transcripts, diving into them with the president of australia and the president of mexico. we'll have much more on this. you won't want to miss it. for your heart... your joints... or your digestion... so why wouldn't you take something for the most important part of you... your brain. with an ingredient originally found in jellyfish, prevagen is now the number one selling brain health supplement in drug stores nationwide.
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if you'd rather be home, ask your doctor about neulasta onpro. right before we got on the air for this program the washington post came out, publishing two full transcripts. full transcripts of the president's phone calls early in this administration with prime minister turnbull of australia and mexican president pena nieto not long after he came into office. why are we talking about them now? this gives us a window into president trump's thinking early on and the way he has having these conversations with these very critical foreign leaders. i want to bring in the fact check checker, along with bob costa and vivian salama. when he was on the phone with turnbull. originally we knew that he and the prime minister had this
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awkward conversation but he specifically said to him i have had it. i have been making these calls all day and this is the most unpleasant call all day. putin was a pleasant call. this is ridiculous. what do you make of that one? >> when it was first reported that he had a difficult conversation with the australian prime minister, his aides contributed to it coming at the end of the day and that maybe he was tired. they didn't deny there was tension but it had to do with an agreement that the obama administration had made with the australian government to consider accepting a number of refugees. >> right. >> and trump was angry and upset that he had to fulfill that agreement. and you can see in the call the australian prime minister is telling you're not required to accept these. you just have to say you're willing to accept up to such an amount but still have the
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opportunity to vet them and decide whether or not to accept them. >> but to say to the guy who leads the nation, one of our allies, australia, this is the most unpleasant call all day, to say that, not to his face but over the phone line, that seems kind of starting, glenn. >> especially because you have the putin reference, that feeds into the notion that president trump is often trying to look for a way to cut puten a break and is much tougher on people you ordinarily would consider u.s. allies. >> there's also that line that kasie hunt referenced earlier in this broadcast i want to share with folks here about mexico paying for the border wall and the president said my people stand up and say mexico will pay for the wall and your people probably say something in a similar but slightly different language. but he says the fact is, we are both in a little bit of a political bind because i have to have mexico pay for the wall. i have to. this is the president,
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explicitly acknowledging that he made this pledge. he is in a political bind. he said mexico will pay for the wall. mexico says not going to happen. they said it from the beginning. this is giving us new insight into this relationship between these two leaders. >> exactly. it was quite striking. the president never really said again that mexico would pay for the wall after that phone call. they went radio silent and never really explained it. yet it was an explicit promise he put in his 100-day plan where he said one of the key promises was mexico will pay for the wall. he knew he was in a bind and was trying to figure out a way to let it fade away as an issue. >> so already, even in just the last 50 minutes or so, ton of reaction on capitol hill to all of this. i want to share with you, our own kasie hunt caught up with
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senator lindsey graham, who had an interesting reaction when she asked him about these transcript transcripts. >> it is not fair to the president in terms of the leaks. if his phone calls can be leaked to "the washington post." i hope jeff sessions can do something about the leaking because it's really hurting the president. >> so, senator graham, not really getting into the context of this or the fact that the contents are out there at all, viv. >> john kelly has brought in as chief of staff to essentially go after these leaks, big issue for the administration, something that concerned them since day one. >> who would have had access to this, though? it wouldn't necessarily have had to have been in the west wing, right? >> that's true. a lot of these transcripts are passed around various parts of the intelligence community and within the administration. senior officials are aware of what the president is saying. >> two other senators are responding to this as well. both of them from new hampshire, talking about something else that the president said. we had this earlier in the show,
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talking about new hampshire being a drug-infested den in the context and conversation with the mexican president of drugs coming across the southern border. here is what maggie hasset has to say. real donald trump, his comments about new hampshire are disgusting. as he knows, a substance misuse crisis. you also have somebody, jean shaheen saying he owes new hampshire an apology that it is absolutely unacceptable for the president to be talking about new hampshire this way. it's not winning the president a ton of friends on capitol hill. >> the president did well in the new hampshire primary but it remains a swing state. it's pretty purple in its makeup. it could be a problem for the president in 2020, using
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>> i feel like he knows what he's doing to bring jobs across the country, especially in west virginia and hubtington area. >> i still hear people who are against him and people who say negative comments about him constantly but he's our president. we need to try to support him no matter what and need to stand him and try to make our country great again. >> i think he's definitely headed in the right direction. i think critics are way too quick to jump and say we don't
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see anything done. >> listen, guys, not everybody loves the president, even in this red state. >> i think it's a total disaster. >> why? >> because everything he's tried to prove has proved him wrong. everything he's tried to do has been voted down. >> i'm joined now by former george w. bush speaker writer, ned ryan and bob costa and vivian -- let's start there. you're kind of giggling at one of the president's critics in west virginia. >> we're 190 days in and people are looking what he's been able to do by himself without obstructionists on the other side of the aisle or lack of leadership on the republican side. >> you're talking about executive orders. >> he's rolled back 1,000 regulations from the obama era. he's put in the keystone dakota
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pipelines and neil gorsuch on sc scotus and scott pruitt at epa and deregulators. we like what he's been able to do when he's able to do it by himself. at the same time they have to get tax reform and health care reform done sometime before 2018. >> is there unlimited patience when it comes to conservative groups. jeremy peters, friend of the show has a piece out talking about this. mr. trump has strained relations with a lot of people these days but through the drama and dis y dismay, one group has never waivered, the leaders of the conservative moment. is that sentence going to hold six months from now? >> if he continues doing what he's been able to do in the first six months by himself -- he's going to have to get something done. i was talking earlier with friends about having to get tax reform done before we get into 2018. you get into 2018, these
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profiles and political courage -- say that with the deepest of sarcasm will lose whatever spine they have to get tax reform done. i think they will get something done for them on health care, it could be a decent year. >> when you look at the data, the numbers, people who tell poll sfsters what they think ofe president, he's not popular. there's a new quinnipiac poll out and others out. do you get the sense, bob, they are inside this administration concerned when they see the direction of those figures? >> they are concerned but it's notable where they are going as these concerns mount, they are not going to ohio or michigan and they are not going to a place like arizona where you have a tough senate election next year. they are going to west virginia. they are going to the base. when you look at attorney general sessions talking about affirmative action, he's talking to the republican base so are all of these policies on immigration and trade because to come back in the polls, this may
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be a strong strategy, may be right. they think they need to keep a tight grip on those voters. >> if you're republican leadership, are you getting a little anxious? >> most definitely. the president tends tore very unpredictable. anything at this point could be seen as a setback, at this point they are pushing jobs. this is something they are all trying to tout, cloincluding th white house because they feel this is key to lock in the votes. >> house and senate leadership should be concerned, they are on the ballot. he's not on the ballot until 2020. if they talk with trump and say trump will say let me help you help yourselves, let's get these agenda items passed. the base is still with me, mids terms on a base vote, you're on the ballot in 2018. >> explain the strategy, we saw that donald trump tweet this morning where he not so sarcastically thanked congress about russia. john mccain is responding to
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this, the senator who is going through cancer treatment in arizona saying a relationship with russia is at a dangerous low, you can thank putin for attacking our democracy. >> you'll see this continued tension between the establishment gop and donald trump. the base is with trump and midterms are about the base. trump can help them if they do these agenda items. >> ned ryan, bob and viv, thank you very much for joining me, the last 55 minutes has been a buckle up and rock and roll show. we'll be back with today's big picture. thank you so much. thank you!
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we are back with today's big picture today it comes from outer space, that's buzzaldren posing in 1966 during the gemny 12 mission. this picture is going up for auction in london. expected to bring nearly $1600. i don't know that seems like a low ball figure to me. the picture is courtesy of bloomsbury auction and aldren's words, best selfie ever. it's tough to compete with. love to hear your thoughts where i will be all afternoon long. i'll head over to the white house and toss it over to stephanie ruhle and ali velshi. >> this is what happens, you get caught because you're fooling around. she's not prepared. >> want to put the chairs on rollers so she can push me.
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>> i can push him out and say good morning, everyone, i'm stephanie ruhle. >> and i'm ali velshi, we have a lot of busy things today. it's thursday, august 3rd. let's get started. >> the president is clearly scared of russia and that's been consistently con veveyed by his policy since he was sworn in. >> the narrative that the trump administration is not serious about pushing back on russia. putin will see this as a sign of weakness. >> the administration officials describe the president as increasingly frustrated. >> recently suggesting firing the war's top commander. >> do you have confidence yourself in general nicholson? >> of course, i can't imagine a more capable commander in they -- on any mission. >> if the president doesn't listen to the generals, like general nicholson, afghanistan is go to collapse. >> two conservative senators would slash legal immigration by 50% in ten

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